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rupert newton's avatar

Lets assume we all agree how we all make a living has to fit within biophysical boundaries, and Rockstrom’s calculations are the baseline, that doesn’t necessarily mean degrowth is the only route to this. The criticism’s of GDP are also broadly agreed, it’s more a case that no one can agree in what to replace it with - however - it is also a simple measure of all the monetary exchange, where your spending is someone else wages and their spending is someone else’s wages, and so on.

Degrowther’s always seem to gloss over the practicalities of quotidian economic life, we are going to have a system of money and markets (and employment), at least I hope we are, where govt has a role in creating and shaping those mkts (e.g. clean energy, public transport, green building regs etc), and where all of this economic activity creates a surplus. I’m not sure degrowthers either believe this or have thought it through in which case they need to say what the surplus is going to be in a ‘degrowth economy’ and how they intend to persuade billions of people to change their understanding of business and expectations for a good life.

The fact is, even within biophysical boundaries, we can add value ad infinitum.

I’d be careful taking Meadows, Georgescu-Roegen, Daly etc at face value. They looked at the system as ‘closed’ and not what it can be.

Of course we have to stop burning 100 m barrels of oil a day for energy, yes, we have to develop industrial scale recycling, mass produce natural materials, re-order the agriculture sector, we need an accounting system that incorporates what we currently call ‘externalities’, it’s daunting, and it’s also a positive vision of genuine green growth.

Solar is being deployed, China is producing about 2TW capacity/p.a. There are fascinating innovations in materials, food production, green building and so on.

We create value all the time in consumer markets.

Degrowther’s gloss over this because at heart they want to socialize the entire system and they believe consumption is a form of spiritual impoverishment.

“degrowth challenges the hegemony of growth and calls for a democratically led redistributive downscaling of production and consumption to achieve environmental sustainability, social justice, and well-being for all.”

For which in the 15+ years I’ve been reading their work they’ve never presented a strategy, nor a plan, nor any detailed idea of how finance would work, no conception of how the actually existing $20+ tn economy would work.

In other words it’s a pipe dream, an academic fad, an intellectual toy. They’re not “flat earther’s”, there’s a grain of truth in their analysis, see Rockstrom, but also their canard of dismissing economic value creation with flawed science.

As they say “a symbolic challenge” with no practical application.

Recommend also reading Earth4All.

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J. Friday's avatar

Degrowth is just missing the marketing campaign for mass adoption.

The name is an issue. That’s why I came up with Community Wealth and included degrowth in the strategy without calling it that :)

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